It's been a great car for me so far. I average 12-14000 miles per year, so by my reckoning I could halve my fuel costs for the year and double the possible mileage range per tank of fuel by getting a 123d. I currently spend £55-60 per week on fuel with the 130i and cover an average of 260 miles on each tank in my 130i before I'm near empty. We engineers use the term ‘catastrophic failure’ - that’s exactly what will occur. The chains were then replaced last month as they had worn and started to rattle. They're more concerned about competing with the Japanese on price than they are about being true to their brand. Gassing Station | BMW General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff. Reading this just makes me want to dump my 123d for a VW MK6 R or s3 sportback. © 2020 Pistonheads Holdco Limited, All Rights Reserved. OK, apologies for the multitude of questions - just doing my research! Might be worth checking with a dealer or contacting BMW customer services, it's been a massive issue for them. It currently has run flats on which makes the ride quite hard in addition to the msport suspension. Go for it! High spec models will cost loads to buy though (if you buy new) so depreciation is not good at all really. The reliability & service costs are just as bad (worse, in the case of service costs) over $100k - it’s just that, over this price, you actually do get premium features, and if you’ve got $100k+ to drop on a car, then you probably won’t need a defibrillator when a five-figure repair bill hits. It’s a global reliability disgrace. Thanks for your time and opinion, James. You need to listen to your mechanic - if the timing chain breaks the chances are a piston (or pistons) will hit the valves, and the engine will essentially be destroyed. I have a BMW 123d 2010 with just under 60,000km on the clock. They’re in the business of selling cars, not keeping them going cost-effectively. The 123d is affected, but no more so than any other 4 pot BMW engine from about 2007 onwards, so any facelift 118d or 120d is just as likely to fail. I've decided I'm not going to risk it, I'll buy something else - whilst I appreciate that in the grand scheme of things the failure rate is statistically low, I just know I wouldn't enjoy the ownership experience as I'd constantly be listening to the engine! Dave, I think you've drunk too much over xmas, reasons being: I traded-in my z4m for a 123d msport 3dr hatch over Christmas and so far and its really impressed me, infact I'm quite surprised by how good it is. Gassing Station | BMW General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff. My 123d is being looked at by BMW shortly. I do 15k miles a year but still favouring the 130i. One of the buying criteria seems to be fun though, and good as it is for a diesel with a power band/delivery as good as most turbo petrols, it's still not got the top end excitement you get in the 130 so certainly try one to see what it's like before you spend too much time working out the economics etc. Ask me how you can save thousands on a new car >>, See Mazda smash Audi on objective criteria >>. It was introduced when the current and most advanced range of BMW engines was the N52 indirect injection straight six. At 60,000km it will be difficult for you to prove premature wear. Thanks. If you hit a pothole hard then you do feel like you have gone down a crater, but the roads at the moment are in a pretty bad state post snow and ice. - Ride is okay, looks great in dark colours, Edited by briers on Saturday 8th January 01:04, Dave I'm sorry but I'd have thought the cost of changing out of your 130i and into the 123d would more than negate any saving on fuel costs. If it's too much then go and buy a 120 or a 118. Performance wise, especially in 3rd and above it flies, and is great to hustle around back roads. I haven't checked prices of these recently, but if the car is well specced, in good condition and has a complete history then 12k doesn't seem silly money to me. You’re always - mark that word: ‘always’ - better off in a Japanese car. An enhanced upper timing chain was fitted to my BMW 123d M-Sport at no charge whatsoever to me by the local BMW main agent (UK) in 2015. They’re generally something of a weak link. This is true of every engine - it’s just a matter of time. (They might choose to do so.). The 2007 car was just on 35000 miles at the time. I am wondering if you know about this problem? If it were, they got the R&D on that chain badly wrong. Like - here’s the badge, but the engineering excellence isn’t included, and neither are the features youd expect in a true premium car. The majority of the time you won't have a problem. Eco anything killed all the good stuff, be that Concorde or V12 masterpieces in italian works of Art. They need replacing. My 123d is being looked at by BMW shortly. After a recent service my mechanic told me he thinks the timing chain is getting noisy and drew my attention to some stuff on the web about the chains snapping. The 123d is affected, but no more so than any other 4 pot BMW engine from about 2007 onwards, so any facelift 118d or 120d is just as likely to fail. We tested the BMW 123d Coupe with a two-litre, twin-turbocharged, four-cylinder diesel engine. Do a Google search for "BMW N47 timing chain" .... there's a lot of info! Edited by daveknott5 on Friday 7th January 12:08. If the service history on your car is good, then you might have a case if the replacement interval is, say, 160,000km. Let me know. It seems to hinge around the timing chain being put at the rear of the engine with the intention that it would not need to be replaced. I love it though, even if it is s. I have to disagree, the rise is pretty good for a run flat tyred car, much better than people give credit for. I didn't become obsessive over the what ifs as I suspect that it is a possible, albeit highly unlikely event to occur when the overall numbers of these cars sold is considered. (Ultimate driving machine - yeah, right…) The fact is, BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Audi are in a race to the bottom - at least with their cheap cars. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. I do a 45 mile round trip a day and am averaging 41mpg. I’ve had a lot of exchanges with owners of these cheap German cars in situations like these. I wouldn’t expect a sham like that from Great Wall - but there is probably some completely obtuse engineering justification for doing it this way, perhaps compactness or ease of proliferating the engine across multiple vehicle models. Glad i took out the extended warranty. Have a listen to some of the clips on YouTube, at least you can then know what the problem sounds like. I don’t know what BMW Australia’s attitude to the problem is (in terms of customer support) but the engineers in Munich who elected to put the timing chain in the rear of the engine - which requires the complete removal of the engine from the vehicle to replace the chain - should hang their heads in shame. Tax per year is just over £100. I am wondering if you know about this problem? For future reference: unless you have $100k to spend on a car, a Mercedes-Benz, BMW or Audi is a kind of over-priced automotive fraud. All in all, its hard to fault for the performance and running costs. Thanks for all your replies guys, I'm shocked that a prestige brand like BMW would allow such an issue to continue! Access to timing chain is impossible from 123d engine bay, Whoever decided to put the timing chain on the rear of the N47 BMW engine should be ashamed. I've just had this hit on my 320d - bought as an ex demo from BMW and 6 years of service history with them - just over 80k miles. Have you heard of any significant issues with that engine or alternatively the 2.5 BMW petrol? So unless you intensely hate filling stations and therefore value the increased range of the diesel I'd sit tight. I've got a 2007 123d, I had a new engine fitted Feb 2012 due to play in the timing chain, which damaged the crank. I think yours is an N47 BMW engine. © 2020 Pistonheads Holdco Limited, All Rights Reserved. My car is now on 108k and was bought with around 50k on the clock and has been superb. The money is nothing - but admitting there's a problem is absolutely verboten. As for the 123d coupe, it's a very attractive package. The new Mazda3 diesel would murder the 1-Series diesel against all objective criteria.
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